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	<title>Comments on: Fasting abundantly</title>
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		<title>By: Serban</title>
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		<description>Thank you, Father Vasile, for reminding me what fasting is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Father Vasile, for reminding me what fasting is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Vasile</title>
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		<description>No doubt Mike that fasting has a great sacrificing component and I am not trying to hide or deny it. I just chose to talk about one particular aspect this time. I agree we cannot have an either or attitude regarding fasting because obviously we gain by sacrificing, as we gain salvation through the sacrifice of Christ. There are also many other aspects of fasting that we can talk about, for instance fasting as communion that I spoke about in another article (see the fasting category) and so on. Fasting is so complex that we can probably write entire treatises on the subject. Glory to God for all things and welcome to our Dialogues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt Mike that fasting has a great sacrificing component and I am not trying to hide or deny it. I just chose to talk about one particular aspect this time. I agree we cannot have an either or attitude regarding fasting because obviously we gain by sacrificing, as we gain salvation through the sacrifice of Christ. There are also many other aspects of fasting that we can talk about, for instance fasting as communion that I spoke about in another article (see the fasting category) and so on. Fasting is so complex that we can probably write entire treatises on the subject. Glory to God for all things and welcome to our Dialogues.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<description>Fr. Vasile, thank you for a very thoughtful post. This is helpful as we approach the Season of Lent. 

I agree fasting should not simply be understood or limited to sacrifice or renunciation. However, mindful of Jesus&#039; call to deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow him, I do think sacrifice and renunciation are important aspects. So maybe instead of it being either an attitude of either sacrifice or gain it should be one of sacrifice and gain. The risk is that fasting or any other spiritual discipline becomes transactional in nature - I fast and now God likes me. No, that is not how it works. As you point out these disciplines are for us not God. Seems to me that fasting, silence, solitude are not so much about absence as presence - through those disciplines we create space for the presence of God. I also think there is a revelatory aspect to fasting (as well as silence and solitude.) I am thinking here of Fr. Alexander Schmeman who said, “Ultimately to fast means only one thing: to be hungry – to go to the limit of that human condition which depends entirely on food and, being hungry, to discover that this dependency is not the whole truth about [us], that hunger itself is first of all a spiritual state and that it is in its last reality hunger for God.”  

I look forward to reading more of you posts. God&#039;s peace be with you, Mike+</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fr. Vasile, thank you for a very thoughtful post. This is helpful as we approach the Season of Lent. </p>
<p>I agree fasting should not simply be understood or limited to sacrifice or renunciation. However, mindful of Jesus&#8217; call to deny ourselves, take up our cross, and follow him, I do think sacrifice and renunciation are important aspects. So maybe instead of it being either an attitude of either sacrifice or gain it should be one of sacrifice and gain. The risk is that fasting or any other spiritual discipline becomes transactional in nature &#8211; I fast and now God likes me. No, that is not how it works. As you point out these disciplines are for us not God. Seems to me that fasting, silence, solitude are not so much about absence as presence &#8211; through those disciplines we create space for the presence of God. I also think there is a revelatory aspect to fasting (as well as silence and solitude.) I am thinking here of Fr. Alexander Schmeman who said, “Ultimately to fast means only one thing: to be hungry – to go to the limit of that human condition which depends entirely on food and, being hungry, to discover that this dependency is not the whole truth about [us], that hunger itself is first of all a spiritual state and that it is in its last reality hunger for God.”  </p>
<p>I look forward to reading more of you posts. God&#8217;s peace be with you, Mike+</p>
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